Francis says white employees should be educated on anti-racism before moving into conversations with their BIPOC peers, and those seminars are best led by racialised consultants. People like Karlyn Percil or Larissa Crawford, a Black-Indigenous founder and managing director of Future Ancestors, a youth-led organisation which focuses on anti-racism, climate justice, and equity. Crawford, who is based in Calgary, offers a rigorous, multi-step course that can end with a 40-page report on how to move forward. “When companies are not open to changing behaviour and acknowledging their harm and impact, then I can’t move forward with them,” she says. “And I choose not to.”